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jvassie · Post by **jvassie** » 16 Jan 2006 17:04

Heres some sprites i made a while ago, they could probably do with some tweaking, plus the artic views, but otherwise theyre not bad IMO.

James

Sanchimaru · Post by **Sanchimaru** » 16 Jan 2006 23:09

But in those, only some rails are white. Actually it's the sleepers that look white since they are made of concrete.
Don't worry about the tracks, James, I'm already working on them

but recall that for any new sprites you are willing to draw, you need to use photographic documentation. Don't draw anything just as you think it should be, always look at a picture.

I kept working on the file I was editing, basing on Snail's picture, and I got this tracks with white sleepers over gravel

jvassie · Post by **jvassie** » 17 Jan 2006 16:21

Ok, those sprites were something i did a loooooong time ago.

I like the look of yours but IMO, the gravel should be much lighter, at least according ot the picture. Good work!

James

lifeblood · Post by **lifeblood** » 17 Jan 2006 16:35

I think the sleepers are a little too bright. And the look really chunky. Otherwise, they're swell.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » 17 Jan 2006 17:28

Maybe, yes, the sleepers are just a little bit too bright, and maybe the gravel looks a bit too greyish... it looks a bit as if it were made of steel instead of concrete, if you see what I mean. Maybe you might want to try a mixture of grey-white-light brown...

But anyways, you're on the right track

Those look really good. We'd be happy to use them for the FRSet, if the compatibility problems with MB's excellent stations can be resolved.

Hmmm, what can we do in return?... fancy a steamer or two? Problem is, I have no idea about when I'll be able to fit any in my schedule

Sanchimaru · Post by **Sanchimaru** » 20 Jan 2006 01:03

I have worked a little bit in the improvements you mentioned, Snail:

now the gravel is a bit more textured, and the sleepers are not so bright. Making them any darker results in the sprite looking confusing, since they are too similar to the gravel.

Death · Post by **Death** » 26 Jan 2006 19:38

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>CODING NEWS<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

New locomatives - the "280 Electric" and the "314 Diesel"

I've just tested the passengers wagon, I tried to make one dining wagon (brown) appear after 6 normal wagons, but instead, there are 2 dining wagons after every 6 normal wagons not only one.
I don't know what exaclly the problem, I think it's the varadjust
see if this line is help you:

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  399 * 14 02 00 03 81 41 00 06 01 01 00 06 FF 00 00

I'm wondering what the mass of the "141 Mikado Euskalduna" is, because there's no mass number in the .exl file and the table in the dev site show a strange number (94t-25.5t/103t-63.5t)

For Sunchimaru, could you please write me a list of the years that each locomtive change its colour?
It will help a lot.

DaleStan · Post by **DaleStan** » 26 Jan 2006 19:52

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 * 14   02 00 03 81 41 00 06 01 01 00 06 FF 00 00
                    ^^    ^^

You're checking var41 & 06h, which is probably not what you wanted.

The first result (01 00) will be selected if var41 is 06h, 07h, 0Eh, 0Fh, 16h, 17h, 1Eh, 1Fh, 26h, 27h, 2Eh, 2Fh, &c.

Instead try checking var41 & FFh == 06h.

Death · Post by **Death** » 26 Jan 2006 20:06

Like this?:

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 * 14   02 00 03 81 41 00 06 01 01 00 06 06 00 00

that's make only one dinning wagon appear after 6 normal wagons (range 6 to 6), but I want one dinning wagon appear after every 6 normal wagons.

DaleStan · Post by **DaleStan** » 26 Jan 2006 20:19

That's exactly the same. The <var> <varadjust> pair can only take on four values: 00, 02, 04, and 06, so checking for "is in [06,FF]" is the same as checking for "is in [06, 06]"

Does (var41 & FFh)%7 ("41 80 FF 00 07") == 06 do what you want? Alternatively, try var41 & 07h == 06, which is similar, but not identical: instead of "6x pax, dining, repeat", it gives "6x pax, dining, pax, repeat".
IOW, the former gives dining cars at 06, 0D, 14, 1B ...; the latter, at 06, 0E, 16, 1E ... instead.

Death · Post by **Death** » 26 Jan 2006 20:32

Hmmm... I don't understand you clearly, could you explain it by a code example?

DaleStan · Post by **DaleStan** » 26 Jan 2006 21:19

% is the modulo operator.
The two I suggested are:

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0*0 02 00 03 81 41 80 FF 00 07 01 01 00 06 06 00 00
0*0 02 00 03 81 41 00 07       01 01 00 06 06 00 00

Anding with 06 means that you can't distinguish between the seventh and eighth cars: 06 & 06 == 07 & 06 == 06. Anding with 07 instead gives you the ability to distinguish between 06 and 07.

Using (var41&FF)%7 means that every seventh car becomes a dining car, while using var41&07 makes seventh car of each set of eight a dining car.

michael blunck · Post by **michael blunck** » 26 Jan 2006 22:21

In RL, there´s almost only one dining-car per train, which would rule out that modulo option.

In the DB set, dining-cars appear at a fixed position only and thus can be easily avoided, e.g. by having a mail van on that position (some people don´t seem to like dining-cars for various reasons).

Just my 2cc

regards
Michael

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 26 Jan 2006 23:22

Numbers are missing from the Excel file because I don't have sensible ones. Research anyone?

Sanchimaru · Post by **Sanchimaru** » 26 Jan 2006 23:54

That's an interesting point Michael brings here... I wonder why people is so disturbed about minimal things... I mean, it's not that the car changes capacity, or length.

However if the code is not too hard, we could do it as his DB set does, so that for example dining cars appear at exact positions and they can be avoided. That way we can please mostly everyone.

About the amount of cars, some people seem to make extra large trains, so for those configurations, adding eyecandy variation would be nice. (also, if you are in a 30-car train, you don't want to walk all the way long until the only dining car, just to have a drink... given that there is a 30-car train, off course) Still I think most people will build the regular trains where 1 dining car appears.

I have prepared an scheme of where each car should be placed, I hope it is of any help for the coding:

DaleStan · Post by **DaleStan** » 27 Jan 2006 00:04

How long is the cycle/where's the repeat point?

Or, which livery should car 15 have?

If it's a 12-car repeat, that's fine, but not particularly logical, IMO. If it's an 8-car repeat, then what are those red brackets supposed to indicate?

Come to think of it, what do the red brackets indicate even if it is a 12-car repeat?

Flamelord · Post by **Flamelord** » 27 Jan 2006 00:08

I enjoy the rails shown above, near the top of the page, but am led to wonder: couldn't something be done about the horizontal rails looking much lighter overall than the other three directions?

Sanchimaru · Post by **Sanchimaru** » 27 Jan 2006 00:54

The red line is for the field where there must be a dining car (every 6 cars) and the green line is for the one of the bedcar (every 4 cars)
And the loop is as the scheme is... this is car 15 would be like car 3.
The cycle consists on 12 cars which is a number matched by 4 and 6 (4*3 / 6*2) That way seems to be quite simple, I don't know if it's not logical enough...

As I said, not many people will make a lot of passenger car-only trains over 12 cars, so that should not be an issue.

DaleStan · Post by **DaleStan** » 27 Jan 2006 01:59

That can be done with minimal difficulty; take the car-number modulo 12 and apply the appropriate graphics.

The first and third set of four were identical, which made me suspicous that maybe it was supposed to be a cycle of eight.

Sanchimaru · Post by **Sanchimaru** » 29 Jan 2006 06:56

I have edited the Excel file "renfetech_372" (November,11th) and added a livery change scheme.
I haven't touched any of the existent technical data, so you can replace the one in my file with any newer version if it's outdated.

This is the whole livery change list so far. A few more are yet left to be drawn, I will add them to the list as the sprites are finished.

Notes about the data I introduced:

~date : from the release date until the specified date
date~ : from the specified date on
date1~date2: from date1 to date2
HiSpeed: livery for the locomotive when used in the 3rd High speed track.
LongDist.: livery for when long distance passenger cars are added to the train.
Freight: livery for when freight cars are added to the train
Normal: any trains appart from the others specified

Random xx% : I want some liveries to have a very low chance of appearing when a train is purchaused. This specifies what chance should each livery have (more or less, it doesn't need to be exact if it is not possible)
Where only says "random" and no numbers are given, means that the chances are equal for all available liveries

(replace): All of the liveries are supposed to stay until a new vehicle is purchaused. The same for passenger and mail cars. There is at the moment only one train that replaces existing trains: the 439EMU in its last livery.

About the coding: I tested the last version and runs really fine, I found no problems with it

For the next release, can you try to add the following change, please? Make 2 passenger cars appear in the list: long distance and regional. You can use the 1st liveries at the moment (blue with yellow line and wooden yellow for each) and replace the original mail car with ours, rather than refitting passenger cars.
Thanks!

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