OpenTTD objectives

Alltaken · Post by **Alltaken** » 18 Nov 2005 03:56

http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Objectives

developers involved in the meeting, please feel free to add to this list.

at a later we can discuss the objectives and vote on them (things that are opinion based like "war" or TTD feel....), then the objectives will be official and set. (should not need to be edited again until a major development occurs)

Alltaken

Conditional Zenith · Post by **Conditional Zenith** » 18 Nov 2005 08:19

When you say "we" can discuss the objectives and vote on them, does that mean developers or anyone who is interested?

Alltaken · Post by **Alltaken** » 18 Nov 2005 09:37

dunno probably developers. but possibly everyone (if a poll were set up). i doubt everyone would be asked about "all" objectives.

things like no war are pretty much non negotiable amongst developers (from what my understanding of the issue is)

MeusH · Post by **MeusH** » 18 Nov 2005 09:43

Not war - so what about some disasters (helicopter/military plane attack?)

Conditional Zenith · Post by **Conditional Zenith** » 18 Nov 2005 09:47

Can we also have no deforrestation, no demolition of homes, no bribery, no flooding/draining lakes, etc.?

edit: I am not being serious here, I am being facetious.

webfreakz.nl · Post by **webfreakz.nl** » 18 Nov 2005 10:08

Conditional Zenith wrote:Can we also have no deforrestation, no demolition of homes, no bribery, no flooding/draining lakes, etc.?

Because? In real life you can have demolition of homes to?

Conditional Zenith · Post by **Conditional Zenith** » 18 Nov 2005 10:12

Sorry, I should clarify what I meant. I was being facetious. I was trying to make a point about this "no war in the game" stance.

MeusH · Post by **MeusH** » 18 Nov 2005 17:18

...And livestock deliveries to the factories...

I think Alltaken meant "no tanks, no military ships visiting your docks,
no milirary factories converting uranium to bombs you have to transport,
no "extra industries" which require people carried in DB set livestick vans during WWII time"

Conditional Zenith · Post by **Conditional Zenith** » 18 Nov 2005 23:25

I know they are not saying the things I said, but the same logic applies. "No war in the game because war is bad", but there are plenty of other bad things in the game (like environmental destruction, military plane disaster, etc.). So I fail to see why there can't be war related stuff in the game because its bad, yet all this other bad stuff is allowed in the game.

I agree that war is bad in real life, and that we don't want war in real life, but we are not talking about real life here, we are talking about a game.

Alltaken · Post by **Alltaken** » 19 Nov 2005 12:25

Conditional Zenith wrote:I know they are not saying the things I said, but the same logic applies. "No war in the game because war is bad"

the reason AFAIK stems from Chris sawyers original intentions and morals. he created the game to be peacefull (he does that with all his games) by adding war and weapons stuff... we would effectivly be insulting the original creator of the game.

the original intention of the game was to offer a family oriented game not involving war. this was a valid intention by chris sawyer, and thus i think has been adopted as a stance and point of homage in this game.

end of subject. there will be "no" winners of a debate on this it is pointless.

Alltaken

nicfer · Post by **nicfer** » 19 Nov 2005 13:10

If the intention of Chris Sawyer was make the game peacefull, why are in-game the UFO's and the military aircrafts and helicopters?

Villem · Post by **Villem** » 19 Nov 2005 13:15

I think he done a PC Port of one game and the UFO's are a hint at that...heck one of the stock TTD maps had a island called "X:COM HQ".

Bjarni · Post by **Bjarni** » 19 Nov 2005 16:19

SLaY3r wrote:If the intention of Chris Sawyer was make the game peacefull, why are in-game the UFO's and the military aircrafts and helicopters?

This might come as a surprise, but we can decide what to add to the game and we can decide rules for new additions

Brianetta · Post by **Brianetta** » 19 Nov 2005 17:07

I think it's good that we don't take chemicals to the ammunition factory, and grop these off to the military base before picking up soldiers for deployment to other bases. I think it's good that we don't have slave trucks on our trains to be delivered to plantations or mines.

If people want this stuff, or MeusH's excellent WWII example, they can produce a mod for their own edification. I'd rather not see it in OpenTTD, and I'm glad the developers are maintaining this stance. It means I can safely recommend the game to my ten year old sister down south. (:

Gorre · Post by **Gorre** » 20 Nov 2005 09:03

To provide a game that is free from war themes and conflict; hence suitable for all age groups.

In official release, but the game should be changable enough to let player introduce this (i mean industries, types of cargo, wagons, trucks) by himself and by no need of changing anything in the code. (i mean just a new industry types, no infantry rushing across the map)

Alltaken · Post by **Alltaken** » 20 Nov 2005 11:32

sure, but i doubt it will ever be officially supported.

Alltaken

Conditional Zenith · Post by **Conditional Zenith** » 21 Nov 2005 02:13

G0RR3 wrote:
To provide a game that is free from war themes and conflict; hence suitable for all age groups.
In official release, but the game should be changable enough to let player introduce this (i mean industries, types of cargo, wagons, trucks) by himself and by no need of changing anything in the code. (i mean just a new industry types, no infantry rushing across the map)

There was a thread where this was discussed here.

Basically the ideas extended beyond simply more industries and cargo types. While I can't speak for anyone else, unless it makes a gameplay difference, I don't think it is worthwhile. Any of the gameplay ideas can be implemented without calling it war though.

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