Three New Airports

Roman · Post by **Roman** » 22 Jul 2006 12:59

richk67 wrote:
Lord wrote:richk67, got my pm?
Err... had to check... yes. Im afraid Im not much help. I dont know a thing about the internals of how original TTD or Patch handle the states. Most of your PM went way over my head!! I'll take another look tomorrow, and see if there is anything I can help you with.

Hm, too bad. Didn't you have to deal with that kind of stuff before the new airports could be implemented?

Well, however, do you know someone who could help? Someone who was/has been participating in all the new airport stuff?

richk67 · Post by **richk67** » 22 Jul 2006 13:03

Lord wrote:Hm, too bad. Didn't you have to deal with that kind of stuff before the new airports could be implemented?

No. The internals like that are just not relevant in OTTD. Old games are loaded into the OTTD variable structures, where they are considerably easier to manipulate. Writing a new state machine and airport design was simply a matter of editing the airport_movement.h file; no need for knowledge of the internals at all.

Well, however, do you know someone who could help? Someone who was/has been participating in all the new airport stuff?

Darkvater (on hols), Peter1138 or Tron know pretty all there is to know; both are best found on irc, or email via the contacts links on the OpenTTD website.

Roman · Post by **Roman** » 22 Jul 2006 14:20

Alright, thanks.

browneyedboy · Post by **browneyedboy** » 23 Jul 2006 17:52

I've tried to install these new airports, but haven't succeeded. What can I do? Is there a win EXE?
Hope you can help me out, thanks.

mart3p · Post by **mart3p** » 23 Jul 2006 18:42

You need a recent nightly build. Builds for all platforms including a win exe are available here.

richk67 · Post by **richk67** » 23 Jul 2006 20:35

browneyedboy wrote:I've tried to install these new airports, but haven't succeeded. What can I do? Is there a win EXE?
Hope you can help me out, thanks.

Four of the new airports; commuter, intercontinental, helidepot, helistation, are now found in the main game trunk. So if you download and use a nightly they are in there.

There will be no new development in this thread, and I doubt the patch applies cleanly any more. All improvements will go directly into trunk (if at all).

Aracirion · Post by **Aracirion** » 27 Jul 2006 00:00

richk67 wrote:
bdvm wrote:c. Could it be that crashes with jets happen slightly more often than normal on the new commuter airport?
c) The commuter airport is a SMALL airport. Jumbos will crash .

by Jumbos you mean all Jets? I just tried it ... I built a city airport and a comuter airport, 6 b-737 (planeset) for every aiport, and I just let them start and land. before I went bankrupt, there were no more planes on the commuter airport, while the city airport had had no crashes.

What planes do go on the commuter airport? just propeller aircraft?

Born Acorn · Post by **Born Acorn** » 27 Jul 2006 00:24

Unfortunately yes. It would be better if some small fast planes where counted as "small" (especially the BAe146)

I myself am awaiting a new GRF set by Pikkbird which will have a lot of small jet planes categorised as small planes, and able to land on small airports.

richk67 · Post by **richk67** » 27 Jul 2006 01:06

Born Acorn wrote:Unfortunately yes. It would be better if some small fast planes where counted as "small" (especially the BAe146)

I myself am awaiting a new GRF set by Pikkbird which will have a lot of small jet planes categorised as small planes, and able to land on small airports.

OK... checks my crib-sheet:

In original game the following are small-airport capable planes:
Ju52
Viscount
FFP Dart
DC3
MD9
BAe46
Fokker100
A34-1000
Z-Shuttle
Kelling K1

The Planesetw.grf has a ton of good small planes, and usefully they are named (S) to let you know!

Aracirion · Post by **Aracirion** » 27 Jul 2006 01:32

oh wow, that s / l thing was useful

the Jumbolino is a small plane

thx a lot

a question though: is tha s/l categorization based on real-life facts?

DaleStan · Post by **DaleStan** » 27 Jul 2006 03:04

Mostly. In some cases, the planes that should be L, but just barely, were marked S, but left that way even after an audit of RL plane capabilities determined that the planes were, in fact, large.

Born Acorn · Post by **Born Acorn** » 27 Jul 2006 12:16

richk67 wrote:OK... checks my crib-sheet:

In original game the following are small-airport capable planes:
Ju52
Viscount
FFP Dart
DC3
MD9
BAe46
Fokker100
A34-1000
Z-Shuttle
Kelling K1

I wonder if some sort of patch could be made to apply (S) and (L) to the original planes. I've been playing TTD for years and years and didn't know that until now.

richk67 · Post by **richk67** » 27 Jul 2006 12:58

Born Acorn wrote:I wonder if some sort of patch could be made to apply (S) and (L) to the original planes. I've been playing TTD for years and years and didn't know that until now.

Nice idea. It should be fairly easy to add in, either in the display code, or in the name-load code. (My preference would be display code).

I got the data a long time ago using TTDAlter to look at each of the aircraft. The Mcdonnell Douglas DC9 is a really useful jet for small airports.

Born Acorn · Post by **Born Acorn** » 27 Jul 2006 14:53

I'm going to add your data to the Wiki. It's helpful info.

Ar4i · Post by **Ar4i** » 27 Jul 2006 15:28

Which reminds me that someone will have to tweak that stupid AI a bit so it will use small planes on small airports and also never ever build any small airports one there are large ones. Maybe I have to start digging into the OTTD code to get an idea about how hard is this to code... only if I an find some decent amount of free time

Born Acorn · Post by **Born Acorn** » 27 Jul 2006 17:18

It might be easier to just block the small airport for the AI after the small airport is obsolete usually. That way it has to build the large (City) ones.

MGSteve · Post by **MGSteve** » 12 Aug 2006 11:12

Sorry to be a idiot (probably!) - how do I enable these, I've downloaded 0.48 RC2 and they're not listed.

Didn't someone say above that they were included in the main build now, rather than nightly?

Post by **WWTBAM** » 12 Aug 2006 11:17

nopes
only miniin or the nightly

gk · Post by gk » 18 Aug 2006 16:45

I'd like to suggest another airport-type, the Refueling-Station. Why would one need something like that?

Well, recently i and a few friends of mine played on a very large map with breakdowns set to standard. Quite soon we discovered that true long-distance airservice is simply not practical, because chances are your plane is going to have a breakdown half-way to the target. To migitate that we 'hit' on the idea of building airports in the middle of nowhere along the flight-route and give the aircrafts orders to land and visits the hangars there.

I think that is actually a quite nice, altough maybe unintended

, feature, because it kind of simulates the limited range of aircrafts and the need to land and 'refuell' because of this.

Unfortunately, the smallest airport that could be used for a route where the endpoints are busy international airports is the metropolitan airport, so it would be nice to have an airport design that caters especially to this. It should simply contain a long runway, so that jets do not crash, two hangars, a single loading/unloading-place (i believe you need one, also thus it can double as an industrial airfield) and a traffic-flow optimated for hangar-visiting. Its catchment-area should be very small, zero if possible.

Made a little gimp-mockup on how this could look like.

g
gk

maquinista · Post by **maquinista** » 18 Aug 2006 17:11

Is a very good idea, but I think that the airport must be thinner. 2×5 tiles is a good idea.

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