Ship cost somehow miscalculated

Shorty · Post by **Shorty** » 19 Jul 2006 00:45

somehow, ship construction cost far exceeds the stated value in the new ships menu. the listed cost is applied correctly (i assume, since the floating numbers above the depot mirror it) but at the same time a good 2-3x the normal cost vanishes in addition to this normal cost, often placing me straight into the red.

Edit: i just discovered this ties in with the MiniIN setting :day length. even with the setting to have this affect economy off, it still acts as a multiplier on vehicle purchases (and construction?)

screenshots:

DaleStan · Post by **DaleStan** » 19 Jul 2006 01:08

1) You're table breaking. Stop it. (Translation: any image wider than ~600 pixels has no business being in an [img] tag.)
2) Either attach the image, *OR* inline it in [img] tags. Don't do both.
3) You might want remove those jpg screenshots and take new screenies in png format before bobingabout shows up.

Shorty · Post by **Shorty** » 19 Jul 2006 02:58

1 & 2 fixed. i dont have anything that can open .png's, so i avoid them. i put them in .jpg format both to save bandwidth and to accelerate the upload process. i know they arent pretty, but theyre comprehendable. im not going for artwork here.

DaleStan · Post by **DaleStan** » 19 Jul 2006 03:15

Well, if you're just going to upload them straight out of OpenTTD, why do you need to open them in the first place? (Open can write PNGs, BTW.)

And web browser that can't open PNGs is a pretty backwards browser. (unless it's lynx, links, &c.) Ditto for any image processing program, minus the exceptions.

gigajum · Post by **gigajum** » 19 Jul 2006 06:47

Shorty wrote:1 & 2 fixed. i dont have anything that can open .png's, so i avoid them. i put them in .jpg format both to save bandwidth and to accelerate the upload process. i know they arent pretty, but theyre comprehendable. im not going for artwork here.

Yeah but what should i do with xxxxxxl pictures on which i cant cognize relevant informations, like the cost of the ship which is about 46K if i see it right. So please let openttd create png screenshots instead of jpg.

To your problem:
We know there is a bug with the costs in the game. Time to find what's the cause.

Shorty · Post by **Shorty** » 19 Jul 2006 07:35

i have a number of screenshots, and i dont always pay attention to what filename theyre saved under. and yes, the web browser can open them, if they are on a page somewhere. trying to drag teh picture over it's executable and go Open With... crashes it.

this looks to only be a problem with MiniIN (no big surprise there) since it centres around the day length function. for some reason this acts as a multiplier to the costs, and doesnt check your bank balance against the adjusted cost, simply subtracts it.

im playing with my other settings at present, seeing if there's anything which changes or negates this effect. the button Day length affects economy appears to have no effect whatsoever.

gigajum · Post by **gigajum** » 19 Jul 2006 07:47

As i said in the miniIN thread it should be removed from the miniIN branch until it has no major bugs, or is bugfree.

Wolf01 · Post by **Wolf01** » 19 Jul 2006 20:00

it should be fixed with the latest daylength patch you can find on the miniIN topic

gigajum · Post by **gigajum** » 19 Jul 2006 20:41

Then let us hope that richk updates the branch soon

Shorty · Post by **Shorty** » 19 Jul 2006 20:48

yeah, i didnt realise art the time of posting this topic that it tied in with MiniIN's settings. clearly should've investigated further.

as a sideline, the game doesnt save the patch settings (at all? just for daylength?) beyond the current tycoon game. loading, abandoning, or even starting a new game (after changing the setting from the main menu) will all reset it to what it is set to in the .cfg file.

bobingabout · Post by **bobingabout** » 20 Jul 2006 08:02

i can't read the red text in your screenshots.
read my signature.

you can't open PNG's eh? what OS are you running? windows 98? IE6 should be able to open them.

Hazelrah · Post by **Hazelrah** » 21 Jul 2006 02:59

Alright bobbingabout, this is for you and your cause:

http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Screenshot_format

Have fun spreding the word and let me know if there is something missing (or better example pictures)

-Hazelrah

bobingabout · Post by **bobingabout** » 21 Jul 2006 08:39

thats good enough for me, my signature will now become a link. however you forgot to mention that websites do not like PCX, plus the fact that windows 2000 and XP do not support this format, where windows 98 supports reading of PCX, but has no default PNG support (although i presume internet explorer when updated to version 6 will load them in a webpage, plus microsoft office or 3rd party software usually adds loading and saving capabilities aswell.)

dphoenix · Post by **dphoenix** » 21 Jul 2006 23:42

I added an optimized version of the PNG to that page, to further illustrate how much better PNG can be. I hope nobody minds.

klogg · Post by **klogg** » 22 Jul 2006 07:39

I wonder why nobody ever changed the default screenshot format to png.
Most user don't decide to use bmp->jpg.
They simply want to make a screenshot to support their posting.
I'll bet the day you change the default to png is the first of
an era of freedom for the soul of bobingabout.

klogg

Shorty · Post by **Shorty** » 22 Jul 2006 07:50

he'd go mad. it would cost his life its purpose.

the core developers know this; they intuitively sense the unease in a soul. OpenTTD is really the window to a higher state of being, and they have condescended to our plane of existance to share their enlightenment.

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