Unwelcome Cargo

[Kolbur]

Hello,

I recently had a problem after I extended a station with new platforms. It was a station near a paper factory and all my wood trains dropped their cargo there. Unfortunately there was a wood near the station too and when I extended the station the wood got into its range. The result was that the trains began to load wood after they dropped the wood at the station because I didn't use the unload option. So how am I supposed to get rid of this wood, which the trains loaded on the drop station? I set their orders to unload, but they didn't unload the unwanted wood, because it was the same station where the wood was coming from, I assume. In the consequence the trains carried the wood all the time, lowering their capacity and the only thing I could do was to replace the waggons.

[T-Unit]

If trains dont pick it up it should eventually disappear. I think...

[Kolbur]

If trains dont pick it up it should eventually disappear. I think...

No, the it's already on the trains!
Ok, I'll try again...

Wood goes from station A to station B.
Forest near B gets accidentally into the range of B.
Trains drop wood from A at B and pickup unwanted wood from B.
Trains don't drop unwanted wood from B when they return to B again.
-> Unwanted wood lowers train capacity.

[Ben_K]

At stations B, tell the trains to 'unload'. Then they wont pick up, as far as Im aware.

[Kolbur]

At stations B, tell the trains to 'unload'. Then they wont pick up, as far as Im aware.

I tried that. It's true, they don't pick up anymore, but they don't unload the wood from B that made it onto the trains before either.

[Ben_K]

Hmmm... they should do. Strange. I guess post a save game so that people can have a look.

[hjxbf]

Usually they DO drop off cargo as they should. But if you "unload" a cargo type (e.g. wood) at a station that already supplies this cargo, the unloaded cargo will just be added to that amount, instead of displaying the "from XX station" message.

[Kolbur]

Usually they DO drop off cargo as they should. But if you "unload" a cargo type (e.g. wood) at a station that already supplies this cargo, the unloaded cargo will just be added to that amount, instead of displaying the "from XX station" message.

Are you confusing unload with transfer? Because they are two entirely different orders and transfer is not an useful option here.

[Buran]

If your cargo is still on your wood cars, unload them ONCE on station A (according to your example). This should add the load they are carrying to the waiting cargo at station A. Then turn the "unload at A" order back into "load at A". This should work, if not you have a very odd game!

[Kolbur]

If your cargo is still on your wood cars, unload them ONCE on station A (according to your example). This should add the load they are carrying to the waiting cargo at station A. Then turn the "unload at A" order back into "load at A". This should work, if not you have a very odd game!

But then the trains pick up the evil wood at A again later!

[Ben_K]

But the game will then class that evil wood as 'wood from A' rather than from B and should then offload it at B as normal.

[Kolbur]

But the game will then class that evil wood as 'wood from A' rather than from B and should then offload it at B as normal.

Well, I tried it and no, it doesn't. When the evil wood is unloaded at A, the station window says "wood from A" if there already is a pile of wood. But the game remembers exactly how much is from A and how much is from B, so trains pick up the cargo and you can see in their cargo list "wood from A" as well as "wood from B" and the wood from B doesn't get unloaded at B.


Edit: Now it has become really absurd. I tried to make a little savegame (with the latest nightly and no grfs) in subarctic climate showing my point and... not a single forest was showing up on the map!
I attach a screenshot of the minimap.
Anyway, I made a savegame in normal climate. Try it and you will see the issue.

[glx]

Forests should be above snowline.

[Kolbur]

Forests should be above snowline.

Ah, I see. So the flat terrain was the reason for this. Shouldn't the terrain generator assure at least one forest?

[richk67]

Forests should be above snowline.

Ah, I see. So the flat terrain was the reason for this. Shouldn't the terrain generator assure at least one forest?

Prior to new industries, the industry footprint was terraformed flat if it met certain criteria (like how big a variation there was across the base). I do not know if/whether this routine survived into new industries, and so it may be that industry-site preparation is only done for the original industries.

[Kolbur]

*bump*
This is still a issue.

[athanasios]

Since you can't solve it, why don't you build a new station and get rid of the damned station?

[SoLo]

The simple solution is to shrink the station just enough so that it doesn't collect wood any more. Then use one track and connect it to whatever industry accepts wood (sorry, I don't play artic enough to know what one uses wood). Just let that one train run the route until all of the wood is gone and delivered then sell it. May not be a profitable route, but atleast it gets rid of the wood, and the smaller station will prevent the wood from coming back.

edit:
Reread your post and it seems that the station accepts and produces wood.
Real simple fix then using what I said above.
Put a lorry station connected to the train station, make one road tile, then another lorry station near the wood accepting industry. And have the lorry go back and forth the one spot until the wood is gone. That way the one tile creates a seperate station so that the wood can be delivered to the new one via lorry.